flying high now, i have been working that angle, telling her i want our kids to have friends from both sides and to lose his jw friends would be a shame. i talked to one of them and got the impression his mom is enforcing this. i hope this kid realizes how pius his mother is acting. waiting on the jw inlaws forthcoming biased opinions on his hair. my FIL once said i looked like a bum because of a beard, he's a winner.
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they have started to shun my child. its working perfectly!
by Evidently Apostate insometimes control tactics backfire especially when directed to a mothers child.
she is pissed bigtime at some in the hall who keep thier kids away from our son.
she has seen the mental abuse before but this affects her and the maternal instinct kicks in.
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they have started to shun my child. its working perfectly!
by Evidently Apostate insometimes control tactics backfire especially when directed to a mothers child.
she is pissed bigtime at some in the hall who keep thier kids away from our son.
she has seen the mental abuse before but this affects her and the maternal instinct kicks in.
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sometimes control tactics backfire especially when directed to a mothers child. she is pissed bigtime at some in the hall who keep thier kids away from our son. she has seen the mental abuse before but this affects her and the maternal instinct kicks in. my sons crime, he has let his hair grow long which was enough to create a problem with some of his friends jw parents who now prohibit thier association with our child. this has promted daily discussions and when she asks why this is happening. i am careful not to assign blame on the parents who we are friends with but have been telling her "its not thier fault the belief system of this religion encourages separation from the non conformist. and i think this is very unsettling for her. we also let our children have non jw friends as we have never believed children are bad. thankfully he still has loyal friends(non jw)
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I HATE this religion
by brotherdan inso today was my first sunday meeting that i didn't go with my wife.
as an update she has decided not to move out right now...because she doesn't have anywhere to go.
but she is giving me the silent treatment.
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very good self control. your son will love you no matter what you say, he probably forgot it 5 min after the conversation. your wife may be this way or even more brazen for awhile. you make your argument every time you smile and tell her you love her. hopefully she will see herself from your eyes.
continue the fight
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Any of you have one of these?
by bottleofwater indo or did any of you ever have those super emotional brothers and sisters (typically older) who think that every little thing will cause armageddon?.
example - when the pilot landed the plane on the hudson river... oh my god!
it's a sign of armageddon!
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one i know had a heart attack, survived and now tells every one god saved them. totally fixated on the supernatural . if i showed them a book/dvd with a witch on the cover they would freak. very stable elder too. NOT
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Should/Can I turn them in?
by AwSnap inwhat are my options?
i have recently found out that someone close to me is receiving medicaid and in the process of getting food stamps.
this is so unfair and annoying.
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they live in moms basement and collect food stamps but have no physical limitations just lazy. sounds like they are living the good life! lol let them enjoy thier pathetic life. sounds like karma at work already
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looking for quote about research own religion
by Aussie Oz ini am looking for some sort of quote to show the kids that its ok to investigate their own religion.
something from a recent book or watchtower would be great!.
like... nothing to fear, we have nothing to hide, truth can stand investigation, make sure of it foryourself sort of thing i guess!.
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awake of 09 cant remember the month but the statement to not let family or others pressure you to search out other beliefs is worth looking for
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Never Wake Up
by brotherdan injust got back from an awesome time in maui.
today we got a call from my fil.
my mil has been in utah for the last week or so and found out that her family past was full of "demon activity".
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Evidently Apostate
dan,
i too am desperate to help my wife see the falsehood in this cult. i have never thought of the religion i nievely accepted as truth 20 years ago was in fact a cult, now we all know what the truth is, but she dosent. my beautiful wife will look at me with this look of fear and disbelief sometimes when we have a deep discussion that shines the org in a negative light. i find i can only take the conversation so far and then she changes sometimes its only a look in her eyes but i know reasoning is done and to continue is futile. your wife has a defence mechanism that becomes aggresive the longer you debate WT logic. STAY OFF THE SUBJECT walk away man, it is not worth it . winning an argument should not be the goal, getting your family out is, keep that in mind always.i have felt like you at times that i may end up giving up and walking away, i sometimes start to realize she is never going to truly listen to me. i cannot make demands of her at those times, she has to see the org for its deceptive tactics. you can start your fade, i have and it is very slow and subtle. i have told my wife i will attend a couple sunday meetings a month to pacify those inthe hall and keep the kids from thinking too much. thats it i do not bring up WT doctrine to her or attemp to scale the ignorance wall if she comes at me a question. before you answer think to yourself is this an attack or is she genuine? she has been well trained to use leading questions. go have a beer instead of continuing a discussion that has no purpose. we have been taught that people at the door may have something change i thier life that may make them more receptive to the witnesses and to have patience,use that logic for now
i thank this board for the people on it , not the ones that just witness bash but those like you, we just want our lives and our families
peace
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ITS JUST A POPSICLE!
by Evidently Apostate ini remember something that happened to me a few years ago that reminded me of the programmed witnessing of a jw.
i was out with a friend (a jw) going for a drive and he brings us to a home to meet a guy that was an amway salesman and my friend had been encouraging me to get involved with amway.
" there was no way i was going to sell toothpaste" i told him.
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jim, good article similar pressure tactics as the borg
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ITS JUST A POPSICLE!
by Evidently Apostate ini remember something that happened to me a few years ago that reminded me of the programmed witnessing of a jw.
i was out with a friend (a jw) going for a drive and he brings us to a home to meet a guy that was an amway salesman and my friend had been encouraging me to get involved with amway.
" there was no way i was going to sell toothpaste" i told him.
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I remember something that happened to me a few years ago that reminded me of the programmed witnessing of a jw. i was out with a friend (a jw) going for a drive and he brings us to a home to meet a guy that was an amway salesman and my friend had been encouraging me to get involved with amway. " There was no way i was going to sell toothpaste" i told him. after introductions this guy starts the pitch. "our products have higher quality ingredients, delivered to your door how conveinent" blah, blah then heoffers me a popsicle. "Isn't that the best popsicle" he brags, "its ok" i reply, "but it has real juice in it" . "so do the ones at the store" again i reply. " maybe you should try a cherry one" he says in a curt tone, " dude its a popsicle" i reply. i am sensing the hostility at this point and i tell my friend "I have to get back" at that point the man looks to my friend and tells him, " mark your friend doesnt APPRECIATE FINE THINGS , ITS GOOD YOU DO". and from then on wouldnt look my way and was content selling my friend his overpriced merchandise. now im not trying to dis amway some love the stuff, but to me its just stuff i was having fun with the sell at all cost attutude and when i wasn't buying he basically shunned me. reminded me of the pioneer spirit.
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What happened to the questions in the Watchtower and why?
by Listener incould someone please advise why the questions for public study on a sunday are no longer in the watchtower?.
also a while ago now the gatherings in private homes during the week for study also stopped.. i was told that it was in preparation of armageddon so that individuals could become more independant and have more time to establish their relationship directly with jehovah.
this was because the gb felt people were relying on the organization too much in providing their spiritual needs and with armageddon it may be that jws will not be able to access the support network that they currently have.
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welcome listener,
the society has dropped the book study at peoples homes a while ago , whatever the excuse they give the real reason is noone was attending, the book study has always had the lowest attendance of the meetings. instead they made it a family worship night which basically lets the family decide to spend time reading bible literiture and yet very few of the flock are taking this seriously as there is always something from the platform about not having a regular FWN. you wont see questions in the mags because you are reading the glossy get you in the door love bomb magazine. they separate the public version from the affectionatly known kool aid edition. that one is for those attending meetings and has all the questions. drink up